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Mannings of Breckinridge & Meade Co, KY
Posted by: DEBBIE DOERNER

Date: August 08, 2001 at 17:54:34

my great grandfather was William Edward Manning born Dec 1, 1864 in breckinridge Co, KY he married Anna Eiza Yates born April 3, 1868 they married Feb 11, 1890 @ St Theresa Catholic Church in Meade Co., KY ** looking for information on his father John Manning ** I think he was born in Meade Co., KY ** he was married 3 times ** the 1st marriage to a White & had 2 children ** the 2nd marriage to a Brown (which would be my great great grandmother)& had 5 children Author, Horace & Wm Edward, do not know the other's names & the 3rd to a Clark & had 2 children.....My great grandfather was buried @ St Theresa Catholic Church Cementry in Meade co. Ky..... I think John Manning was buried there to....I found 2 stones behind where my great grandfather is buried with this name on it....but they were not in good shape to read.....so I'm looking for information on this line of people...if anyone can help please let me know.....I found 2 old stones side by side that said John Manning died October 21, 1835 age of 68 yrs..which would have made him be born in 1766 or 1767.....& the other one read Ann Manning died Dec 20, 1830 was 58 yrs old Late Consort of John Manning (which would have made her be born in 1771 or 1772.... Hope to hear from someone....I also found another stone that read Samuel J. Manning born May 31, 1838 Died Dec 18, 1895 & Cecilia E. Manning wife of S.J. Manning Born mary 10, 1846 died Aug 17, 1888.....I'm sure all of these people are related....I want to put the puzzle together.....I have lots of names & dates.....please contact me.....

William married Annie Eliza Yates on 11 Feb 1890 in St. Theresa, Meade Co, KY. Annie was born on 3 Apr 1868 in Kentucky; died on 24 Mar 1932 in Kentucky; was buried in Saint Theresa Catholic Cemetery, Rhodelia, Meade County, KY. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. John Alvey Manning was born on 29 Sep 1892 in Breckinridge County, Kentucky; died on 14 Jun 1961 in Louisville, Jefferson County, Kentucky; was buried in Saint Theresa Catholic Cemetery, Rhodelia, Meade County, KY.
2. Edward Estell Manning was born in 1894 in Kentucky; died in 1975.
3. Viola Manning was born about 1896 in Kentucky; and died.
4. Emma Lillian Manning was born in 1898 in Kentucky; died in 1970.
5. William Fred Manning was born about 1901 in Kentucky; and died.
6. Ester Manning was born about 1903 in Kentucky; and died.
7. Ernest Bernard Manning was born about 1905 in Breckinridge Center, Union, Kentucky, USA; died on 13 Jul 1984 in Welborn Baptist Hospital in Evansville, Vanderburgh County, Indiana; was buried in Saint Theresa Catholic Cemetery, Rhodelia, Meade County, KY.
8. Nettie C. Manning was born about 1908 in Kentucky; and died.

John married Honora T. Brown on 18 Sep 1860 in Meade County, Kentucky. Honora was born on 7 Jan 1832; died on 25 Dec 1874; was buried in 1874 in Saint Theresa Catholic Cemetery, Rhodelia, Meade County, KY. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

The Ancestry and near relatives of Samuel Manning (on his father’s side):

JOHN MANNING
Samuel Manning, (married Matilda Gough)
John Baptist Manning (married 3x) and William Manning
1st wife Honora Brown
Minnie, (Mrs. William Burch)
William ( Annie Yates)
Horance, Arthur
Ernest, Sallie (Mrs. S.K. Vessels)
Honora, (Mrs. Ernest Stahlmann)

Samuel married Matilda Gough about 1825 in Kentucky. Matilda (daughter of John Baptist Gough and Mary Medley) was born on 14 Aug 1803 in Washington County, Kentucky; died on 2 May 1888 in Mooleyville, Breckinridge County, Kentucky; was buried in St. Theresa Catholic Church, Rhodelia, Meade Co. KY. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Matilda was the daughter of John Baptist Gough & Mary Medley. She married Samuel Manning about 1825. She married Stephen T. Burch on 5 January 1836 & they had 7 children.

The other Matilda Gough, I have marriage 1 to Samuel Manning with 2 children: John Baptist b. 1826 d. 1899 married Emmeline ? , Thomas b. abt. 1835 d. ? Then I have this same Matilda Gough Manning marriage 2 to Stephen T. Burch Jan. 5, 1836. This is what my Marriage book says:

License Date: Jan. 2, 1836 Burch, Stephen T. - of age Manning, Mrs. Matilda - of age Marriage Date: Jan. 5, 1836 Minister: Charles Coomes.

Here's the notes I have on Stephen & Matilda:

1850 Meade Co. Ky. census with family.

1860 Meade Co. Ky. census with family.

1870 Meade Co. Ky. census with wife and male child age 16 named Winstead? (hard to read) Also daughter Ellen and her husband Robert C. Clark living with them.

1880 Meade Co. Concordia census with wife and son Vincent L. Has his name as P.T. Burch, should be S.T. Burch. This census also says that Stephen T. Burch's parents were born in IN. (This is incorrect, his parents were born in MD.)

lucy

Hi Mike,

Your going to kill me when I tell you this, I was looking through some old files and found a handwritten note, saying that Matilda Gough wife of Samuel Joseph Manning, parents are John Baptist Gough and Mary Medley.

I have absolutely no idea if this is accurate. I have no original documented sources, but I am looking.

By the way, I am on vacation next month, and I am considering going to Rhodelia, KY to do some original research. Let me know if there are any questions that can be cleared up on your end by going there.

Pat Walker

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Re: John Henry Manning b.1775
Posted by: Rose Hollingsworth Date: May 27, 2000 at 18:20:28
In Reply to: John Henry Manning b.1775 by Pat Walker of 5244

Hi!

I have been trying to locate the parents of John Manning also.

John Manning
born: 17 Mar 1775 [presumely St. Mary's Co., MD]
died: 21 Oct 1835 Rhodelia, Meade Co., KY
married: Ann Gough [born: 08 Jan 1778 MD; died: 30 Dec 1830 Rhodelia, Meade Co., KY; parents: unknown but possible James Gough]

children:
Samuel; James; John Baptist; Susannah; Clara; Eliza; John Henry; Edward F.

I don't have much documentation but will gladly exchange what I have.

Thanks,
Rose
Evansville, IN

Mike,
This info is from the book I have, "Historical Sketches of Old St. Theresa's in Meade County, Kentucky," about John Manning and Susan Gough family. This is copied as printed in the book.

John Manning
The death of John Manning, in 1835, removed from the congregation a fervent Catholic and a loyal parishioner. his sentiments of religion are expressed in the preamble of his Will, which reads as follows:

" I recommend my soul to God and my body to be decently
buried according to the rites of the Holy Catholic Church
and religion, the religion to which I belong, and in which
faith I wish to die."

John Manning was born in Maryland in 1775. he married Ann Gough, daughter of James Gough, and his wife and young son emigrated to Scott County. Around 1810, the family removed to Flint Island, and settled on a farm about a mile east of Mooleyville, near the Breckinridge County line. His home was located on the land now known as the Allie Burch place, and there he resided until his death. His wife departed this life in 1836 at the age of 58 years. Their children were: John Henry manning, whose son Samuel Joseph was the father of the Reverend Father Paul, O. F. M., who died in 1939, and Sister Mary Gerald, S.L., who died in 1904; Edward F.; James; Susan; (Greenwell); Clara (Roberts); and Eliza (Burch). The Will of John Manning mentions Matilda, widow of Samuel Manning, who we believe, was a brother of John Manning. Among their children was John Baptist manning, who was born in 1826 and died in 1899. he was thrice married and his descendants are numerous in the congregation of St. Theresa.

The book list from the old tombstones in St. Theresa's Cemetery when Father Odendahl was stationed at Rhodelia, he was there from January 1922 to February 1928. The list has 7 Gough burials and 15 Manning's in the old cemetery. Will do more research on the names soon when I go to St. Theresa for further resaerch.

Will keep this site posted. Will send other info as time permits about Gough and Manning families from the book.

Keeping up the search, Andrea Stivers

John married Anne Gough. Anne (daughter of James Gough, III and Susannah Tarleton) was born in 1772 in Maryland; was christened on 9 Aug 1772 in The Jesuit Records; died on 30 Dec 1830 in Rhodelia, Meade County, Kentucky; was buried in Rhodelia, Meade County, Kentucky. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Re: John Henry Manning b.1775
Posted by: Mark Dowden (ID *****4347) Date: September 18, 2003 at 19:42:17
In Reply to: Re: John Henry Manning b.1775 by Mike Gough of 5309

Mike, in answer to your question, I am descended from both Cornelius Gough and his sister Anne Gough, in this way: Anne Gough married John Manning and had a son, John Henry Manning. He married his first cousin, Susan Gough, daughter of Cornelius Gough and Winifred (sometiems given as Winifred Wright Thomason and sometimes as Winifred Greenwell).

Notes:

Linda and Jim; I agree that the evidence seems point to JBG (MO) being the son of James and Susanna __________. That leaves two potential parents and one remaining JBG. If we assume that JBG (ScottCo)'s birth date is wrong, then he could fit with both JBG, Sr. and James III. If JBG (ScottCo) is the son of JBG, Sr. then if my math is correct, JBG Jr. and James III are first cousins. It would be perfectly logical for first cousins to travel together. Perhaps James, Jr. help raise JBG, Jr. after the death of his parents. And they were like brothers. The sole source for JBG (ScottCo) is his tombstone and we know it is in error. Darn, we need to verify that tombstone.

I'm working this material right now, but from what you've sent me, I agree that John Baptist Gough, b. 1767 was the son of James and Susanna. He did not serve during the Rev. War. He would have been too young.

2/1780: John Baptist Gough, orphan of James, over the age of 14, chose Vincent Norris as his guardian. Securities: Bennet Norris and John Baptist Raley. (Orphan Ct. Rec., Fenwick).

Proceedings of the Orphan's Court of St. Mary's County, Maryland, Book I, 1777-1801 by Charles E. Fenwick, Sr. for the St. Mary's County Historical Society.

Page 44 (quote exactly as listed in book)

GOUGH, John B. Feb 1780 Page 30
John Baptist Gough orphan of James Gough above the age of fourteen comes into court and makes choice of Vincent Norris his guardian who being present accepts of the same. Bennet Norris and John Baptist Railey securitys penalty L 10000 current money Bond taken.

I would assume that John Baptist Gough would have been between 15-18 years of age (1762-1765). That is if 18 was the break off year for being an orphan; not sure on the laws of the time.

Thanks,
Rose Hollingsworth

Whoever placed the tombstone at the site of the grave of John Baptist Gough in 1839 or perhaps much later, didn't know when he was born and tried to force-fit the John Baptist Gough who said he was born 2/29/1764. Linda Reno

Mike, for what its worth the book says Birth records at St. Andrew's Episcopal Church. This entry is for JBG the son of James & Susanna? (18 Feb, 1764)

The other JBG could have been born on 29 Feb. 1764 as is indicated on his Pension App. Just makes it more confusing.
Jim

This was another John Baptist Gough who also was born in St. Mary's Co., MD on 2-29-1767, d. 2-19-1839 Pius, Scott Co., KY, m. 6-1-1796 St. Mary's Co., MD Mary Jones b. 3-9-1770 MD, d. 6-16-1809 Scott Co., KY. This John Baptist Gough was the son of James Gough (1748-1826) and Susanna Medley (1746-1795). My 5th great Grandfather John Baptist Gough b. 3-29-1764 St. Andrews Parish, St. Mary's Co., MD was the son of James Gough (1728-1774) and Susanna. Michael Mudd

Ben Webb mentions in Centenary of Catholicity in Kentucky on pages 89 and 90 two John B(aptist) Goughs: "John B. Gough died in 1869, aged of 102. .... there were attached to the settlement in Scott (County) quite a number of others and of unmarried Catholics, the names of whom, as far as could ascertained were: John B. Gough, Jr., who died in 1828, at the age of 53 years:" .... MJG

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* ID: I857
* Name: John Baptist GOUGH
* Given Name: John Baptist
* Surname: Gough
* Sex: M
* Note:

John Baptist GOUGH (2/29/1767-1839) married 1st, Mary MEDLEY (b 1778; d 6/16/1809; age 31). Both buried at St. Francis Cemetery, Scott Co., KY
John married 2nd Sarah A. JENKINS (b 3/25/1777; d 4/29/1864; widow of Henry CLAVO who died 1808). Sarah is buried St. Peter's Cemetery, Old Clinton, MO.

John Baptist GOUGH & Mary Medley GOUGH children:
1st: Mariah GOUGH (1799-1873) m 1814 Benedict GREENWELL (1790-1875)
s/o Bennett GREENWELL. (See Benedict Greenwell)

2nd: Cecelia GOUGH (1801-1828 KY) m 1818 Barnaby WORLAND (1777 MD-1842 MO)
(1) John Henry WORLAND (1819-1903) m 1842 Ann Elizabeth GREENWELL (1824-1868) d/o Augustine Mills GREENWELL and Louisa TWYMAN. (see Ann Elizabeth GREENWELL Worland)
(2) Mary G. WORLAND (1821-1893) married 1st 1845 Robert COMBS (1810-1864) s/o James COMBS and Matlida SMITH (see Robert COMBS); m 2nd Robert BELL (1807-1875) s/o Joseph B. BELL & Helen THOMPSON
(3) James Guy WORLAND (1824-1898) m 1845 Sarah (R. or Jane) COMBS (1827-1888) (See Sarah Jane COMBS Worland)

3rd: Ann Melissa GOUGH married George ALLGAIER

4th: Catherine GOUGH m 1821 KY to John Middleton WORLAND (1800-1859).
No living descendants of this marriage. John married 2nd 1824 Susan PALMER.

5th: Matilda GOUGH (1808-1888 KY) m 1st 1825 Samuel MANNING (s/o John Henry MANNING & Ann GOUGH); m 2nd 1884 Stephen T. BURCH.

John Baptist GOUGH & Sarah A. JENKINS Clavro Gough children:
6th: James R. GOUGH (1812-1842) m 1939 Mary COMBS (1823-1855)
(1) John England GOUGH (baptized 3/11/1841; might of died 1858 in St. Louis)

7th: Benedict Joseph GOUGH (1815-1856) m 1st Ann R. COMBS (1819-1850, d/o James COMBS & Matilda Combs)

from Barbara Davis Greenwell papers
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Linda and Jim; I found a copy of the 1810 ScottCo, KY census.
John B. Gough
1800-1810 1 Male, 8 females
1794-1800 1 Male
1766-1784 1 Male, 1 Female
Bef 1765 2 Females

It appears that Sarah had her own four? daughters. These following male Goughs are buried next to Mary and could be the two missing male children:

> 57 George Gough 1798 April 23, 1821
>
> 58 Henry Gough 1800 May 20, 1819
>
Are the names George and Henry the name of a grandfather?

There are two older women in the house. Mothers, aunts?

Do we have source that the B. stood for Baptist? Everything that I've seen says John B. Gough. I have seen this person referred to as John Benjamin Gough. Probably doesn't make a difference.

Another piece of this puzzle but not an edge piece.

Mike

Mike,

I found it also, did you notice just two lines above John B. was an entry for James Gough.

James had:

2 M 10 to 16
2 M 16 t0 26
1 M over 45
1 F 10 to 16
1 F 16 to 26
1 F over 45

Also found Cornelius Gough.

The 1820 census has John B., James & Ignatius.

1830 has only John B. with several small children.

1 M 5 to 10
1 M 10 to 15
1 M 15 to 20
1 M 20 to 30
1 M 60 to 70 If John B. was born in 1767 this would make him 63.
1 F 15 to 20
1 F 50 to 60

So where does this leave us, it proves there was only one John B. in Scott Co. at this time. I still don't feel that he belongs to James III, there is too much of a spread between John B.'s age and the other children of James III.

Jim

Doris DeSantis wrote:

>Henry A. Watson was b. 1814/ 1816 in New Hope ? Nelson or Marion Co. He m. Juliet Amanda nee Masterson b. 1820--- 1821 in New Hope KY. on Feb. 4th, 1845. Married by Robert Byers from Ministers returns . Juliet died March 19, 1887 age 67 in Gethsemane, Ky.Henry died circa 1877 age 60 . Both are buried at Trappist Cemetery in Gethsemane, Ky. ?? No Stones.
> Ann Mahala nee Greenwell Ballard was b. Feb.28th, 1814. m. William R Ballard 1838. These two were the parents of my grandmother, Ann Elizabeth (Nannie) nee Ballard Watson b. Dec.26th, 1857--died Sept. 2nd,1949 in New Hope KY. Henry A. Watson & Ann Mahala nee Greenwell Ballard are my brick walls !!
>
> Benedict Greenwell b.Sept.14th,1790 in MD.--died June 2nd 1875 in Concorida, KY. Meade Co. Married Mariah Gough b. June 16th 1799 in St. Marys Co. MD. Died July 10th, 1873, Meade Co. KY.
>Her parents were John Baptist Gough & Mary nee Medley Gough
> I have some more info. Who do you want to have more info on ?
> I am sending you a few pages on Greenwells. Let me know if you get them
> Doris

John married Mary Medley before 1787 in St. Mary's County, MD. Mary was born on 8 Mar 1770 in St. Mary's County, MD; died on 16 Jun 1809 in Scott Co, KY; was buried in St. Francis Cemetery, White Sulphur, Scott Co., KY. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

John Baptist Gough, b. 1/29/1767 in SMC, m. Mary Medley (d/o Clement Medley and Mary Bailey), d. 2/19/1839 Scott Co., KY

Linda Reno's comments:

Mary Medley was born November 14, 1768 (not 1778).

Since Mary Medley died in 1809, Sarah Jenkins would have had to have been a second wife, not a first.

You have no birth date for Ann Melissa Gough, but according to the 1850 census, she was born in KY in 1805.

56 Mary Gough 1778 June 16, 1809

57 George Gough 1798 April 23, 1821

58 Henry Gough 1800 May 20, 1819

Hi Mike,

Where did you get a birth date of 11/14/1768 for Mary Medley?

Clement Medley, father of: Eleanor, b. 2/27/1762 (or 1761?); Joseph, b. 11/3/1764; Matthew, b. 2/16/1766; Ann Elizabeth, b. 2/1/1768; Mary, b. 3/9/1770. (Records of St. Andrew's Episcopal Church, 1744-1816, Pt. V, Chr. of SM, 5/1958).

Sarah Jenkins was born in St. Mary's County and besides, there was no Kentucky in 1777.

I thought that John and Mary Medley had a son named James Gough, b. 1788. No?

Linda